Internet Video Interviews of Al and Yaani:

          Yaani's Souljourns interview in Florida, March 2012                  Vimeo      YouTube

          Al's first Souljourns interview in Oregon, July 2003:                  Vimeo      YouTube

          Al's second Souljourns interview in Florida, March 2012:           Vimeo      YouTube

          Al's third Souljourns interview in Florida, March 2012:              Vimeo      YouTube

            On the third Souljourns interview above, I (Al) spoke of an incidence, in which, under Baba's direction, I take on a man's cancer into my own body and have a death experience. I meant to but forgot to precede that story with the following one in which Sai Baba takes on a devotee's heart attack. This then sets the context for the strange account given in the interview.

           "Here is an account of Baba saving the life of a devotee about to have a massive heart attack, that would have killed her. It happened in the middle of a bhajan session one evening in the temple at Brindavan, called Treyi Brindavan; this is in Baba’s ashram outside of Bangalore. Swami was seated in his chair in the central rotunda of the Mandir, surrounded by his senior college boys and a few of the teachers, myself included. Baba suddenly froze in a fixed pose, stopped breathing and was totally motionless for five to ten minutes. When he came out of it, his body was obviously very sick. He appeared to be cyanosed with a blue cast to his skin, labored breathing and retching, trying to throw up but not enough energy even to complete that. He slowly whispered to a couple of the stronger boys to carry him upstairs to his bedroom. We didn't see him again for three days, nor did we hear any news about his condition.

On the evening of the third day, the students and teachers were again permitted to come into the rotunda of the Treyi Brindavan Mandir. The bhajan was started around Swami's empty chair. In the middle of about the third or fourth song, Swami appeared above at the balustrade looking very weak. He slowly made his way down the inner staircase and came and slumped down in his chair. The boys stopped the bhajan. Swami with considerable effort got one hand close to the glass of water set out on his table. He dunked a couple of fingers and flicked some water from them into his face. Then to the other hand.

In no time at all the whole pall of debilitating illness that had been cloaking him fell off, and Swami was good as whole again. I was sitting right by his feet and I spoke up and asked him, "Swami what happened?" And he said, "Swami suddenly heard "Sai Mata! Sai Mata!" being cried out by a woman 800 miles north in a Himalayan town. She was about to have a massive heart attack which would have killed her. She was a poor balvikas teacher with five daughters. The husband was gone. If she died those five girls would have been out in the street. Swami had to do his duty and save her. So, Swami took on the heart attack. She just threw up and felt better, without knowing about the heart attack and Swami's coming."

"But Swami, we were all so worried, not knowing what had happened. Why did Baba have to take the illness into his own body and cause grief for so many devotees?" He answered, "Swami will not interfere with the laws of nature. Once an illness happens in one body it has to run its course and be completed in that body, or in another body. Swami's body is strong and he took the heart attack into his body."

This then gives the context for the story of my body being utilized to heal Gregory Bateson's body as described in the interview.